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hey this is Bryant Arnold also known as

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dragon from Skinwalker Ranch and you're

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everyone and welcome back to that UFO

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podcast joining me for a breakdown on

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today's NASA UAP study and a few other

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bits and pieces all the way from Vermont

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USA is Daniel zeterson Dan welcome

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hey you sound really enthused then that

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was like tone of Kirkpatrick there you

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know yeah but it's good to be here what

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an exciting day peek behind the actors

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curtain as I was telling dad and I've

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got a bit of an even fixed on the go and

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I could use a thousand knives to stab my

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ear as I record this so um so yeah I

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said to that about keeping the the notes

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concise our dad mentioned it would try

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and keep it concise and I was like yeah

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I want to die so yeah but here we are if

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we wanted to get this out quickly

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because the NASA stuff happened today

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and uh it's worth talking through um

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just due to life and things I never got

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to see the full thing Dan's taking some

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notes I've seen the gist I watched the

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first couple of hours and made a few

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points and notes on that and I've looked

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up some of the online commentary as well

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and then got a few comments and

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discussion points on the Jenny mccarbell

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George Knapp Mojave Desert triangle

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slash flares

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um incident that has been taking up a

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lot of bandwidth the last week for

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people and we hadn't really commented

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properly

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um I think that's it a few times online

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length towards flares then but

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um yeah you did and what if it's a UFO

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dropping flows right well I've got a

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point on something similar Phoenix

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Lights but sure and but we'll get to

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that but listen the NASA study

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um was today that was live on the NASA

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Channel it was nice to see on the build

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up to it that it went from like 1.4 one

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and a half thousand people watching the

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channel like an hour before to over

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seven thousand people I don't know if

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that went up anymore

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um watching it during the live broadcast

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but that was that was quite a chunk of

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change

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um for the channel which was nice to see

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that interest

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um the NASA study just to quickly recap

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was announced last summer and they were

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given the tune of about two million

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dollars of a budget or was it 200 Grand

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I think it was 200 Grand 200 Grand that

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was it yeah so 200 Grand and which isn't

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really a lot of money but it seemed at

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the time when we discussed it it was a

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study to set up whether it was worth

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yeah it's actually like they decided

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that they might take the trip but they

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just wanted to plan out a couple of

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different routes and see how it was

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going to go you know getting the tiles

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in and stuff that was it um and do you

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know what spoiler pleasantly surprised

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from what we got expecting there was a

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lot of expectations with this online and

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it was never going to be okay it was

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delved into the NASA archives and here's

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the STS footage of the tether incident

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and we've worked out it was 12 alien

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spacecraft around the Space Shuttle that

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was never going to be what this was it

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was a preliminary look at the what

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availability they would have to study

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um the UAP or the UFO phenomenon

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essentially

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um but Dan

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um the intro from Dan Evans

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um he had which was disappointing and to

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start this on a disappointing note had

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to address the abuse that members of the

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panel had received as they had taken

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part in this study and I'm going to see

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say I am going to guess that's not your

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UFO Twitter members giving the abuse I

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reckon that's going to be scientific and

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academic folks who have been reaching

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out and slamming serious scientific

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scientists and academics taking part in

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what they see as us area of study that

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isn't worth studying which is

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disappointing isn't it yeah absolutely

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it you know we can't say we want

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scientists to apply themselves and when

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they do kind of start going no not like

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that and harassing them you know we we

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want them to be independent study kind

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of uh folk or uapists as they as they

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are now called on the NASA website

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um they brought that up a few times

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throughout the whole presentation and at

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one point they did mention about online

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abuse and things like that so I feel

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like it's all coming from a number of

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angles and especially when we're

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watching uh Dr Sean Kirkpatrick talk

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there was a moment where I almost felt

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like I saw the genuine hymn through the

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the kind of facade that he puts up that

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Stoke facade where you know it seemed

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like it kind of gone under his skin you

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know this is a career professional

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really trying to do the work and well

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all of them are and they're being you

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know an ambassador for it it's it's not

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fair and you know people should just

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give the benefit of the doubt until

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proven otherwise you know and even then

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abuse just isn't worth it it's just not

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worth it no not everyone's got as thick

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as Skin as Gary Nolan either who seems

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to to take it and dish it out just as

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readily

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um but yeah that's that's a point but

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hereho

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um it's it's been done and they've

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addressed it and hopefully but let's be

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honest it's not going to stop

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um I doubt anyone listening to this is

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the type of person that dishes out that

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type of abuse either so

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um pretty disappointing here but that's

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2023 social media it's it kind of comes

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as part of the territory

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um common theme I took from the early

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part so that's done from various

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different speakers where some keywords

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like the data set being incomplete that

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what they have is purely catalog that

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things are fragmented

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um is that what you were taking from it

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as well early on yeah 100 you know like

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you said it was it was surprising it we

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we always complain about um and I say we

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kind of I'm talking the community you

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know you offer Twitter and the like we

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always complain that they kind of

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whether it's NASA or Arrow ignoring the

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historical stuff and they made it very

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clear today that the historical stuff is

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all well and good but we didn't have the

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senses then that we have these days and

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a lot of it is classified and when it

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comes to taking witness statements which

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I thought this was a standout for me

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when they were talking about witness

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statements and they said they're all

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well and good but you know there are

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optical illusions and so on so forth and

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there should be data to back up that

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kind of eyewitness account if if that's

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um so yeah I was really encouraged at

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one point Sean said that there and he

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did this during the hearing as well but

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said that the designing purpose built

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UAP sensors to deploy for the dod and

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NASA are about to do the same Sean

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of where they were looking at and uh

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um but there's this little map and it

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just highlights the bases you know where

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the dod looking and it's worth

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remembering that the gray area where the

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dod aren't looking that's the whole area

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the NASA have to look and I was hugely

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encouraged that they they seemed really

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genuinely gung-ho to kind of go do their

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work you know and that was the gray area

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not the Grays great yeah

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get that one right yeah get that

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um you made a point I wanted to come

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back on there and I'm stalling for time

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thinking about what it was ah yes

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witness statements that was a and that's

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about the Jeremy Corbell stuff later on

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as well with George Knapp um

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had Robert Salas on it and it's just

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worth noting I think this is probably a

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good place to discuss that

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um they played a clip of Robert Salas

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who was the Air Force Captain obviously

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retired now who is present at Malmstrom

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Air Force Base when the missiles were

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shut down famously in that event and

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incident and he

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did I get that right he recorded himself

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his interview with arrow

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um yeah that's right

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in in different states they have

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different parts again some of them both

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people have to say yes some of the one

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person could say yes so yeah he recorded

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it I hope it was legally otherwise he's

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going to be in a bit of trouble but uh

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yeah it was interestingly I know yeah

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yeah and the clappers played on the on

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it's quite a quite a short clip

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um was it just me or did that clip make

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Arrow sound a bit incompetent and

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inefficient I expected it to be like a

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professional Mr Salas you're being

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recorded by arrow and I'm gonna it was

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more like a uh yeah we don't really know

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um yeah I mean that yeah I can't yeah

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we've checked that but we've not really

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been able to get that and it was really

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I think it highlighted for me when you

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know we talk about people think the

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government the big bad government and

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you know it's it's a big well-oiled

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well-run system and it's really not it's

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people that work in offices and

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departments behind desks that tie into

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other departments and those have

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corridors which link into bigger

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corridors and it just it it wasn't

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surprising to me and to your point it

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ties in with that recent events comment

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you made that it's better to focus on

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recent events because the further back

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you go the easier it is for them to

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either play dumb or probably quite

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rightly say we don't have that data or

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the I think they mentioned on that clip

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the arrow clip with Robert Salas that

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the tapes are gone they're lost they

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don't have them anymore who can you ask

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because the people who were involved at

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the time are either incredibly old now

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or they've passed away they're not going

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to remember oh Dan do you remember 65

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years ago the data tapes from you know

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the radar we had at the time where do

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you think those would be now no I idea I

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mean retired 35 years ago yeah 100

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um someone commented that the B2 bomber

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tapes have been lost you know someone

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put them somewhere they don't know where

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they are I misplaced my airpods today

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you know there's things that are

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important to us in this place but it's

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you're absolutely right we have to

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remember that the organizations are full

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of different people

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um there were a lot of comments today

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about you know these guys are gonna lie

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to us on the panel and so on so forth

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and I was just thinking I was like I

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really don't think these are the guys

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that you know would be in on the secret

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you know there's no kind of data dump in

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the nasty NASA employee initiation

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process when you get a job there that

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kind of says oh actually yeah we edit

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the videos and we hide UFOs all the time

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these people seem very genuine in their

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intent here and if I was one of the

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secret Keepers I mean I wouldn't tell

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anyone at the organization that I was

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taking their raw data and kind of

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keeping it and there was a certain point

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that they made about data and uh I think

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it was the guy from the FAA said that

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they don't have unprocessed data which

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means that you know a good comparison is

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Chris Manor when he's talking about

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stuff that's detected they're on

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satellites coming in from space

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the UAP stuff is going to be outliers

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and in terms of keeping that data around

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you generally don't if you're doing

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stats you know you get rid of the

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outliers and you look at your Trends and

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patterns without them that's the stuff

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we need now and it seems like we just

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don't have it because we didn't keep the

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raw data and it's frustrating but you

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know if someone's gone in and scooped up

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the raw Data before they deleted it cool

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but you don't really know where that is

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and you know Nadia Drake for example

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doesn't know where it is she's just

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working on what she has you know yeah

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these you're right when you say these

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aren't the folks who are sitting in the

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room as they airbrush uaps out of the

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Martian landscape or you know the

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moonophobus and whatever that may or may

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not have on it that they're going ah you

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know what we've got this cracking HD

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photo of a tower yeah let's just brush

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that out and stick it stick the raw file

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on these aren't the folks that are

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sitting there doing that kind of stuff

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they aren't the ones that have been

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there for 30 40 years in the background

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and monitoring what happens when it

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happens and yeah that's just these

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aren't those people I mean they could be

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but I very very very much doubt it and

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like you see this was a group of of

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scientists academics who have been

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called in to to try and make this as

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independent as possible

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um on the face of it anyway so yeah it

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looked to me like there were the

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language is positive that they were they

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were quite open I like the format of it

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being like an open discussion in meeting

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where they were actually questioning

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each other and making points off the

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back of what each other

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um were saying as well

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um it was like watching them kind of

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brainstorm in front of you you know and

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I I appreciate that I want to be in that

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room when they're doing their job I give

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anything yeah and something that struck

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me as well as

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when we talked about this the first time

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and we were saying they should go back

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through the archival footage I realized

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in listening to to these people talk

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given their backgrounds and their

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expertise and their skill sets similar

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to what you said Dan it's all very well

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people like me and you and any number of

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folks listening are watching this we see

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some of those famous videos of UFOs in

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space do you remember the one where it

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shows you the the kind of the earth

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curven and sorry flight Arthurs

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yeah it comes in another Flash and it

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zooms away okay and we can point to that

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and go ha that's intelligent movement

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that's moved out the way something was

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fired at it these scientists are not

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going to watch that and go oh Christ

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there's an alien spaceship yeah so

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that's that's right they are going to

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look at that and say we need all the

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other data that would be around that to

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point to exactly what this is and what

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it isn't because they might not even

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know what

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you know that they are there is as we

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say and I I try to get an analogy for it

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and a really bad one with my story or

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but I I don't believe it you're gonna be

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doing allergies come on

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so I bet looking at a messy Cutlery

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drawer okay and determining how many

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Forks you have before you've taken all

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the crap out of it tidied it and then

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started putting things back together in

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like a nice and neat order you know

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looking at your shitty drawer with all

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your stuff going I've got 10 Forks but

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if you do it the right way and you pull

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everything out find the stuff you have

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put it back you go actually I've got

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seven Forks you find the conditioner of

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them the make of them and maybe you find

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out a few other things about them as

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well and that's what they kind of have

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to do because you need all that other

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data they're not going to watch a video

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and say it's probably an alien spaceship

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because that's not how this works for

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them and it's not how their minds work

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either people like me and you how many

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times do I know will there be videos

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that mean you look at and will get to go

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fast or uh which was talked about and

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we'll go ah well given what we've been

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told that's that's like something

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non-human that's likely exotic

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technology but someone else with a more

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mathematical pragmatic logical

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science-based mindset goes ah I'm going

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to do all the work here first

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and you know they come up with a

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different conclusion not to say that was

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correct actually can we talk about the

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go fast thing yeah I was literally just

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going to go in yeah because there's

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there's a rich conversation point right

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but go go ahead wasn't expecting that to

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come up

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um that they would bring up you know one

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of there was no Infamous three videos

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that were released or leaked as we know

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I get one of them is around beforehand

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Etc back in uh 2017 now but the for

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those that may or may not remember the

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go fast was the kind of tic-tac-looking

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object shooting across the surface of

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the ocean the famous Warhol got it oh

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what the is that thing you know

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audio that you hear everywhere

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um they have basically had one of the

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scientists have you got his name there

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I do have his name here Josh Johnson Dr

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that's what it likes to be called yeah

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um so Dr Josh who went through all those

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years of training for us to call him

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Josh s

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um he basically gave a breakdown didn't

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he using the data that's on the screen

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of why he believes the object is only

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moving actually at 40 miles an hour

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which is in keeping with the wind speed

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and it could likely be a balloon

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no that's caused a bit of a flap online

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from the the limited time I spent online

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this afternoon and this evening that um

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won the pilots have all said otherwise

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there's also been people like Chris

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mailing Lou Alexander who have talked

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about that object performs a right angle

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turn apparently in the longer version of

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the video but we have to say again we

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have never seen the longer version of

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the video You Know The Wider Community

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we've only heard there is a longer

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version of the video

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um but

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that's uh uh Josh so I would call him

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Joseph Josh Dr Josh

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um Josh s he has from the data presented

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to him come up with a conclusion using

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basic trigonometry as he says what were

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your thoughts on what is presented it

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was really interesting it brought to

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mind the the point we were talking about

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a few weeks back where you know

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what expert would people listen to on

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this subject and so many people have

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done this work with go fast I'm saying

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that it's anomalous I'm saying that it's

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not

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um and it was interesting to hear you

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know a NASA expert break this down for

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us and he didn't take any work from the

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Internet or social media accounts or you

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know from the the game developer who

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likes to look at these things he did it

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all himself and whether you love it or

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hate it that's his conclusion you don't

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have to agree with it but you would need

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to respond with you know scientific

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robust kind of response in a

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peer-reviewed manner

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um I I'd like to see him present a

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peer-reviewed paper on it even if it was

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short just to start that conversation or

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back and forth because you know probably

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Matthew siddecas from the seu uh the

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scientific Coalition for UAP studies he

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would probably refute that you know and

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come back out with his own paper that's

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the conversation we're looking at and

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and seeing the different reactions to

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Josh's uh presentation

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it just made me kind of realize that the

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bias inherent in this conversation and

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on all sides on all states yeah 100 on

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all sides you know we all have it and

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we've got to be mindful of that because

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you can't just go oh well I disagree in

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my gut therefore you know Josh is

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incompetent he's clearly competent but

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we need to see why he decided these

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things and try and understand it you

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know instead of just saying just is

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wrong and not presenting any information

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uh it tickled me a little bit that

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Graham brendel on social media was kind

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of asking like oh they should go in on

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Gimbal and have a look and then go fast

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popped up and I was like oh yeah close

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so close grave yeah

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um but they did um Kirkpatrick did at

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one point talk about

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Center jetters with another video that

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he presented which you know just side

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note that's three new UAP videos we've

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gotten out of the dod in the past two

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months that's kind of cool was this the

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video of the three star or the three

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dots yeah and it was like because at

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first they presented it as if ah this is

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really interesting here's a UAP video

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and the three dots come along and he

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mentions that it looks like they're

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moving but they're not moving it's just

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the sensor as you say moving side to

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side it shows the commercial airliner

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flying underneath going from left to

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right as you would expect so these three

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dots aren't commercial airlines are they

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because there's a commercial airline

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flying however they then mentioned it

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was resolved and they found out based on

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date location time everything they had

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these objects were just other airlines

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but flying away towards or away from

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basically they were further away than

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they initially thought yeah something

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like that that was it yeah yeah Sean

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Sean spoke about the the gesso being not

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from the camera moving and stuff like

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that but actually from the sensor trying

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to stabilize itself which I thought was

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maybe a little bit of shade at gimbal

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because that's the solution there

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supposedly for some people that you know

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the the whole thing kind of pivoted and

546
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,600
it makes it look like there's a there's

547
00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:53,039
a rotating object there but it's not

548
00:18:55,850 --> 00:18:54,360
really rotating

549
00:18:58,190 --> 00:18:55,860
um I thought that was a little you know

550
00:19:01,250 --> 00:18:58,200
almost a wink to wiping gimbal off the

551
00:19:03,169 --> 00:19:01,260
table but for me that explanation didn't

552
00:19:04,370 --> 00:19:03,179
cut it you know I love watch Sean

553
00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,380
capacitor is doing and stuff like that

554
00:19:07,850 --> 00:19:06,480
but they were all perfectly equally

555
00:19:09,710 --> 00:19:07,860
spaced

556
00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:09,720
um you know nothing's perfect in this

557
00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,860
way that one will be a little more

558
00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,240
forward than the rest you know maybe

559
00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:14,160
something like that I I'd really love

560
00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:16,080
again to see that peer-reviewed data and

561
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:17,820
he said that he's going to present her

562
00:19:21,650 --> 00:19:19,440
on a website so I look forward to that

563
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,660
and that transparency you know do you

564
00:19:25,549 --> 00:19:23,280
think just on what you said there

565
00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:25,559
there's any danger that some of these

566
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:28,500
cases that are being resolved quote

567
00:19:31,730 --> 00:19:29,460
unquote

568
00:19:34,370 --> 00:19:31,740
on

569
00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:34,380
shouldn't have been resolved as you know

570
00:19:41,150 --> 00:19:37,799
something prosaic and that potentially

571
00:19:43,070 --> 00:19:41,160
you're relying on their word de NATO to

572
00:19:44,630 --> 00:19:43,080
not maybe go ah nah just yeah it's

573
00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:44,640
probably our lane let's just resolve it

574
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:46,500
when actually was it something else

575
00:19:49,190 --> 00:19:47,760
because that's what you're getting at

576
00:19:51,049 --> 00:19:49,200
with your and you're right about the

577
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:51,059
distance and but then again just look

578
00:19:55,130 --> 00:19:53,160
weird but then here's two lemons though

579
00:19:57,409 --> 00:19:55,140
certainly talking about why these people

580
00:19:58,970 --> 00:19:57,419
who know better uh it's not commercial

581
00:20:00,370 --> 00:19:58,980
we're kind of making their own points

582
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:00,380
aren't we but yeah yeah

583
00:20:05,270 --> 00:20:03,120
it's like it shouldn't be that yeah I

584
00:20:06,529 --> 00:20:05,280
think those three things in a row and

585
00:20:08,029 --> 00:20:06,539
then why are they all flying in a row

586
00:20:10,430 --> 00:20:08,039
like that and I get to be at different

587
00:20:11,870 --> 00:20:10,440
distances yeah and and I feel like a few

588
00:20:13,549 --> 00:20:11,880
of the scientists on the panel kind of

589
00:20:15,650 --> 00:20:13,559
brought up these questions and were like

590
00:20:17,390 --> 00:20:15,660
hmm okay we'll take you at your word for

591
00:20:19,310 --> 00:20:17,400
now but we'd like to see the data behind

592
00:20:21,049 --> 00:20:19,320
this decision and and Sean's always been

593
00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:21,059
very open about how they make these

594
00:20:24,350 --> 00:20:22,620
decisions right that it goes to two

595
00:20:26,930 --> 00:20:24,360
independent teams one in the IC or

596
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:26,940
intelligence Community the other one in

597
00:20:31,250 --> 00:20:29,520
a kind of more kind of scientific-minded

598
00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:31,260
group will look at it and then he brings

599
00:20:34,549 --> 00:20:32,880
those things together and Compares them

600
00:20:36,770 --> 00:20:34,559
and then they have a final kind of

601
00:20:38,690 --> 00:20:36,780
powwow on deciding you know whereas

602
00:20:40,370 --> 00:20:38,700
ultimately whether it's resolve the

603
00:20:42,529 --> 00:20:40,380
weather it's not so it's gone through a

604
00:20:44,029 --> 00:20:42,539
few people already but he did say in the

605
00:20:45,169 --> 00:20:44,039
hearings that peer-reviewed papers is

606
00:20:47,090 --> 00:20:45,179
what they were going to present on these

607
00:20:48,350 --> 00:20:47,100
things so you know I won't I won't judge

608
00:20:49,430 --> 00:20:48,360
or get mad at him until I get to read

609
00:20:51,110 --> 00:20:49,440
that and

610
00:20:53,090 --> 00:20:51,120
maybe maybe I'll learn something or two

611
00:20:54,169 --> 00:20:53,100
yeah yeah I think the two teams are send

612
00:20:56,390 --> 00:20:54,179
them to I've got the names of the

613
00:20:58,330 --> 00:20:56,400
individuals it's one as a Midwest and

614
00:21:01,090 --> 00:20:58,340
others John Ramirez

615
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,100
yeah

616
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:03,120
can you imagine

617
00:21:09,529 --> 00:21:07,140
um yeah so for me uh interesting stuff

618
00:21:10,909 --> 00:21:09,539
uh Sean Kilpatrick's presentation we saw

619
00:21:14,150 --> 00:21:10,919
some of the slides similar to his

620
00:21:14,810 --> 00:21:14,160
presentation back without cast Angela

621
00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:14,820
brand

622
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:18,360
um a few weeks ago and yeah I then

623
00:21:22,190 --> 00:21:20,460
didn't get to see a lot of the the

624
00:21:23,810 --> 00:21:22,200
conversation that happened afterwards

625
00:21:26,810 --> 00:21:23,820
what were some of the highlights then

626
00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:26,820
that you may have written down hopefully

627
00:21:31,250 --> 00:21:28,200
yeah

628
00:21:34,930 --> 00:21:31,260
uh Dan has left himself on mute there we

629
00:21:36,950 --> 00:21:34,940
go time stamp that one folks take a shot

630
00:21:38,270 --> 00:21:36,960
old school

631
00:21:39,529 --> 00:21:38,280
um at one point Sean and his

632
00:21:42,409 --> 00:21:39,539
presentation made some recommendations

633
00:21:44,990 --> 00:21:42,419
to NASA and they went from you know

634
00:21:46,549 --> 00:21:45,000
looking at making sure that the data

635
00:21:48,049 --> 00:21:46,559
follows a prescribed format so it's

636
00:21:49,250 --> 00:21:48,059
scientifically viable because they said

637
00:21:51,049 --> 00:21:49,260
that most data collected by

638
00:21:52,490 --> 00:21:51,059
organizations that are out there I

639
00:21:54,350 --> 00:21:52,500
assume they mean Enigma or various other

640
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:54,360
people like that or organizations like

641
00:21:58,430 --> 00:21:56,400
that isn't scientifically viable there's

642
00:21:59,690 --> 00:21:58,440
like bias in the data

643
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,700
um it was at the citizen science

644
00:22:03,529 --> 00:22:01,200
conversate they had that a few times

645
00:22:05,690 --> 00:22:03,539
they mentioned and I got the impression

646
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:05,700
again from a limited viewing that some

647
00:22:09,409 --> 00:22:07,320
of them seemed quite far the whole

648
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:09,419
citizen science aspect of it and others

649
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:11,940
seem to be a little bit more standoffish

650
00:22:15,649 --> 00:22:13,919
about citizen science and how that may

651
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:15,659
work yeah well it can kind of Muddy the

652
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:17,159
data pool right but they talk about

653
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:19,860
things like apps you know kind of uh

654
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:21,659
notifying people in the area that

655
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:23,340
there's an anomalous event going on so

656
00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:24,960
they could get triangulated data and

657
00:22:27,710 --> 00:22:26,520
they a few times said they're not sure

658
00:22:29,690 --> 00:22:27,720
whether they're going to use cell phone

659
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:29,700
video those and photos because they're

660
00:22:33,409 --> 00:22:31,740
just not good enough yeah um which is an

661
00:22:35,090 --> 00:22:33,419
interesting comparison point to you know

662
00:22:35,810 --> 00:22:35,100
the recent players thing right

663
00:22:37,730 --> 00:22:35,820
um

664
00:22:39,289 --> 00:22:37,740
then Sean was talking about a

665
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,299
large-scale ground-based scientific

666
00:22:43,130 --> 00:22:41,760
instrument evaluation uh which is very

667
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,140
much you know kind of what Galileo

668
00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:45,120
project is doing using earth science

669
00:22:49,130 --> 00:22:47,220
satellite to look at geology and you

670
00:22:52,130 --> 00:22:49,140
know water flow and currents and things

671
00:22:55,010 --> 00:22:52,140
like that uh to look at UAP

672
00:22:58,010 --> 00:22:55,020
um helping the NOAA kind of come up with

673
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,020
data collection platforms for UAP

674
00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,000
um I'm gonna trip over this word now but

675
00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:02,460
peer review parametization of advanced

676
00:23:06,770 --> 00:23:04,620
capabilities not yet engineered

677
00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:06,780
sounds like atip right not peer-reviewed

678
00:23:09,890 --> 00:23:08,520
but looking at

679
00:23:11,090 --> 00:23:09,900
capabilities that have not been

680
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,100
engineered yeah yeah that's exactly

681
00:23:16,370 --> 00:23:12,960
right it was doing yeah

682
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:16,380
um looking at archives scientifically a

683
00:23:20,210 --> 00:23:18,539
scientific anomalous data review so this

684
00:23:21,409 --> 00:23:20,220
is looking at NASA's archives and seeing

685
00:23:22,970 --> 00:23:21,419
what they can apply there there was a

686
00:23:24,770 --> 00:23:22,980
lot of conversation about

687
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,780
um Ai and machine learning which are one

688
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:26,039
and the same

689
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:28,020
um what we call AI Now is really just

690
00:23:31,130 --> 00:23:29,340
you know machine learning is nothing

691
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:31,140
intelligent about it but we just use the

692
00:23:34,370 --> 00:23:32,700
term

693
00:23:36,830 --> 00:23:34,380
um looking at distributions of sightings

694
00:23:38,570 --> 00:23:36,840
so identifying areas maybe based on

695
00:23:41,330 --> 00:23:38,580
social media and things like that where

696
00:23:43,250 --> 00:23:41,340
these events commonly seem to happen and

697
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:43,260
also foreign Partnerships and we heard

698
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,760
Dr Sean Kilpatrick say for the first

699
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:46,080
time that he actually had a meeting with

700
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:48,120
five eyes last week yeah Forum that's

701
00:23:52,730 --> 00:23:50,400
with the UK New Zealand Australia Canada

702
00:23:54,890 --> 00:23:52,740
and the USA that's big a number of

703
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,900
people probably have got their foia you

704
00:23:57,890 --> 00:23:56,400
know for your engines kind of started on

705
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:57,900
that and it's really interesting the UK

706
00:24:01,610 --> 00:24:00,000
is typically shum when it comes to

707
00:24:02,810 --> 00:24:01,620
talking about this stuff so it's great

708
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,820
that they're involved and hopefully

709
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:03,840
they're going to be helpful rather than

710
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,480
hindering you know

711
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:09,299
um there was a Sean got pushed on the

712
00:24:13,490 --> 00:24:10,559
numbers too

713
00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:13,500
about you know what he said a small

714
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,240
percentage of these are anomalous and

715
00:24:20,149 --> 00:24:16,799
there were 800 reports now because he

716
00:24:21,409 --> 00:24:20,159
integrated the FAA data and uh you know

717
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,419
you can work that out then to be like

718
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,240
what 15 to 40 50 cases that are

719
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:26,159
seemingly anomalous that's a big load

720
00:24:29,930 --> 00:24:27,480
I'd love to see those you know let's

721
00:24:31,909 --> 00:24:29,940
talk about those things that's a truly

722
00:24:34,730 --> 00:24:31,919
anomalous it's truly anomalous yeah not

723
00:24:37,130 --> 00:24:34,740
just unresolved because yeah but that

724
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:37,140
would be disappointing if it was imagine

725
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,880
those three dots we have talked about

726
00:24:42,830 --> 00:24:40,320
that they're saying commercial airliners

727
00:24:43,610 --> 00:24:42,840
if they left that as anomalous you would

728
00:24:46,130 --> 00:24:43,620
go

729
00:24:50,270 --> 00:24:46,140
it's still quite vague and disappointing

730
00:24:52,430 --> 00:24:50,280
you'd be hoping those 16 cases are wow

731
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,440
Casey's like we're not going to show you

732
00:24:55,970 --> 00:24:53,760
those because that is the good stuff

733
00:24:57,649 --> 00:24:55,980
yeah and there was a comment uh what is

734
00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:57,659
it you said we see these all over the

735
00:25:00,770 --> 00:24:58,919
world this is talking about the metallic

736
00:25:02,570 --> 00:25:00,780
orbs and we see these make it very

737
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:02,580
interesting apparent Maneuvers that were

738
00:25:06,649 --> 00:25:04,020
shades of Obama for me you know they're

739
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:06,659
making patterns and Maneuvers though we

740
00:25:10,010 --> 00:25:08,039
don't really understand what does he

741
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,020
mean by a patent maneuver so not just to

742
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:12,480
be pernicity about language but I saw

743
00:25:15,890 --> 00:25:14,640
that and I was like a parent Maneuvers I

744
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:15,900
think just playing it safe same same

745
00:25:19,549 --> 00:25:18,000
with like seemingly anomalous he's kind

746
00:25:21,470 --> 00:25:19,559
of saying yeah it's anomalous as far as

747
00:25:22,909 --> 00:25:21,480
we know right now but with more work we

748
00:25:24,409 --> 00:25:22,919
might realize actually this isn't

749
00:25:27,890 --> 00:25:24,419
Anonymous at all so they can't

750
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:27,900
definitively say it's anomalous you know

751
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,820
um and yeah so then from there on each

752
00:25:32,750 --> 00:25:30,960
of the panel members kind of gave

753
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:32,760
presentations Nadia Drake spoke about

754
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,799
framing the UAP issue

755
00:25:38,510 --> 00:25:36,480
um talking about filling in gaps and I

756
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,520
really felt Nadia delivered today there

757
00:25:42,169 --> 00:25:40,440
were a few moments where she really

758
00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:42,179
stood up and said you know thankful for

759
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,919
the work of the DIA the dod but we're

760
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:45,600
doing this we've got this science will

761
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:47,279
do this we don't need you guys you know

762
00:25:50,930 --> 00:25:49,080
that it felt like a challenge to them

763
00:25:52,549 --> 00:25:50,940
and I really appreciated that she said

764
00:25:56,149 --> 00:25:52,559
it's not too far job to Define nature

765
00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:56,159
it's our job to to let nature tell us

766
00:26:00,110 --> 00:25:57,960
um she made an analogy about a needle in

767
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,120
a haystack that came back later

768
00:26:04,190 --> 00:26:02,159
um with David grinspoon kind of saying

769
00:26:05,810 --> 00:26:04,200
you know it's it's not even real in the

770
00:26:07,130 --> 00:26:05,820
haystack it's we don't even know we're

771
00:26:09,409 --> 00:26:07,140
looking for a needle at the moment so

772
00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:09,419
how do we do this and that that was a

773
00:26:12,649 --> 00:26:11,100
great little comment uh David grinspoon

774
00:26:15,289 --> 00:26:12,659
for me one of the heroes of this whole

775
00:26:18,649 --> 00:26:15,299
presentation along with her Dr Federica

776
00:26:22,250 --> 00:26:18,659
Bianco both outstanding

777
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:22,260
um both clearly up for being challenged

778
00:26:25,789 --> 00:26:24,000
in their beliefs you know and being

779
00:26:28,610 --> 00:26:25,799
totally open to what they find so they

780
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,620
it was very encouraging to to hear them

781
00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:31,500
on there do you think on that so a lot

782
00:26:35,450 --> 00:26:32,760
of people when you see this especially

783
00:26:37,250 --> 00:26:35,460
online will not that it's wrong or right

784
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,260
I'm going to sit on the fence we'll

785
00:26:41,210 --> 00:26:39,600
shout about that we've got all the proof

786
00:26:43,010 --> 00:26:41,220
we need we've got all the evidence that

787
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:43,020
you know the the sources are in the

788
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,580
hangers they're buried under the desert

789
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:46,320
you know we've got the bases we've got

790
00:26:50,870 --> 00:26:48,720
the tech we've got the tr3b

791
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:50,880
do you think people have to take a step

792
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:52,320
back and go look

793
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,900
if we do now have scientists and

794
00:26:58,669 --> 00:26:56,640
academics looking to get involved in

795
00:27:01,010 --> 00:26:58,679
this we have to realize they're going at

796
00:27:03,230 --> 00:27:01,020
it from Square zero not even square one

797
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:03,240
and you have to forget they're not even

798
00:27:06,590 --> 00:27:04,799
thinking okay we're going after the

799
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,600
aliens here that they're looking at

800
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:09,360
something anomalous and like you say

801
00:27:13,250 --> 00:27:10,799
that needle in a haystack they don't

802
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:13,260
even know needles exist yet so they're

803
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:15,900
literally going at this raw they're

804
00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:18,600
looking for raw data what do you have

805
00:27:22,490 --> 00:27:20,340
that they can start looking at and

806
00:27:24,830 --> 00:27:22,500
literally look for those patterns to say

807
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:24,840
what have you got that we go wow that's

808
00:27:29,330 --> 00:27:26,460
interesting let's look at that further

809
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:29,340
without that bias of yeah we're trying

810
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,460
to look for aliens because you need to

811
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:34,980
forget that we need to forget

812
00:27:38,510 --> 00:27:37,320
not completely but just for for moments

813
00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,520
like this and for things like this

814
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:40,679
forget Roswell forget the Phoenix Lights

815
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,320
forget Betty and Barney Hill forget all

816
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,659
the abduction experiences you have to

817
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:47,520
just someone throw a shoe at this area

818
00:27:52,610 --> 00:27:50,400
right now 100 yeah but even like even

819
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,620
like massiting like you have to forget

820
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:54,779
it it's not relevant to what they are

821
00:27:58,730 --> 00:27:57,000
doing but it doesn't mean that they

822
00:28:00,769 --> 00:27:58,740
might not help get the progress to get

823
00:28:02,990 --> 00:28:00,779
to the point where all that stuff comes

824
00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:03,000
back into the conversation for them yeah

825
00:28:07,190 --> 00:28:05,100
I completely agree you know the the way

826
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:07,200
that they spoke about kind of being able

827
00:28:12,049 --> 00:28:10,080
to tackle this is uh to Define Life as

828
00:28:14,390 --> 00:28:12,059
we know it right to come up with the

829
00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:14,400
signatures in a database where we can

830
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:15,900
apply machine learning that will just

831
00:28:21,310 --> 00:28:17,340
kind of go cool that's a missile that's

832
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:23,810
you're working in maths yeah you know

833
00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:25,080
when you would have like an exam an

834
00:28:27,769 --> 00:28:26,220
average one of those that could sit down

835
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:27,779
and they would show me the equation and

836
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:29,760
I can go all the answers this but it was

837
00:28:33,649 --> 00:28:31,860
worth seven points and I would struggle

838
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:33,659
to get seven ways to show how I got

839
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:35,460
there sure these are the people that can

840
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:36,480
literally go

841
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:39,419
never mind the answer we can do all the

842
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:42,120
work in and get to the answer and that's

843
00:28:46,730 --> 00:28:43,440
that's what we need these are the folks

844
00:28:48,590 --> 00:28:46,740
sorry to interrupt with that stats

845
00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,600
I don't have that in me to do that

846
00:28:53,330 --> 00:28:50,580
whereas these people do I'm already at

847
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:53,340
yes aliens but I need these folks who

848
00:28:56,390 --> 00:28:55,140
are going oh well I'm not getting to

849
00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:56,400
that point yet I'm gonna get the seven

850
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:58,020
points I'm going to get the seven marks

851
00:29:01,970 --> 00:29:00,299
to get to your answer and that's what we

852
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:01,980
need and that's important for people

853
00:29:05,690 --> 00:29:03,600
looking in as well you know this very

854
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:05,700
stigma kept coming up in this event over

855
00:29:09,169 --> 00:29:07,620
and over and over talking about how we

856
00:29:11,210 --> 00:29:09,179
tackle it and

857
00:29:12,950 --> 00:29:11,220
people made the the very relevant point

858
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:12,960
that the very event taking place today

859
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,480
NASA hosting it hugely reduces the

860
00:29:18,649 --> 00:29:16,799
stigma in terms of you know kind of

861
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,659
getting this forward

862
00:29:22,850 --> 00:29:21,120
um when we look at uh David greenspoon

863
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:22,860
or Dr David grinspoon Dr greenspoon can

864
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,909
um you know he he said that we're

865
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:30,240
looking for Life as we know it because

866
00:29:34,789 --> 00:29:32,279
Earth is our one example of a habitable

867
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,799
planet with life that's fair enough you

868
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:36,600
know he seemed open to kind of you know

869
00:29:39,470 --> 00:29:38,580
he brought the fact that 20 years ago we

870
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:39,480
didn't think there were any planets

871
00:29:42,830 --> 00:29:41,039
outside the Milky Way and now we're up

872
00:29:45,230 --> 00:29:42,840
to like 5 000 odd

873
00:29:47,769 --> 00:29:45,240
um and and really kind of considering

874
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:47,779
um he also spoke on

875
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,480
on uh you know one Discovery so if they

876
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,520
were to get data that suggested like a

877
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:55,620
techno signature or some life out there

878
00:29:59,930 --> 00:29:58,200
some intelligent life that you wouldn't

879
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:59,940
just announce it right away that you're

880
00:30:03,470 --> 00:30:01,559
gonna send other instruments to go look

881
00:30:05,210 --> 00:30:03,480
for it and and that's a really permanent

882
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:05,220
Point uh like a month or two ago Jimmy

883
00:30:08,570 --> 00:30:06,899
Church said you know someone emailed me

884
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:08,580
from James Webb team saying that they

885
00:30:12,110 --> 00:30:10,860
found technological life and that would

886
00:30:13,310 --> 00:30:12,120
really be putting the car in front of

887
00:30:14,750 --> 00:30:13,320
the horse you know you can read things

888
00:30:16,130 --> 00:30:14,760
like that when you know the scientific

889
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,140
process and kind of go no that's not

890
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:17,520
since you would send a probe you would

891
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,960
send something you're trying to see HMA

892
00:30:23,450 --> 00:30:21,059
church was being sensationalist then I

893
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:25,310
no I love what Jimmy does don't get me

894
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:27,419
wrong but you know that that

895
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:29,580
there's there's almost an inherent logic

896
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,380
to some things that take some of the

897
00:30:35,149 --> 00:30:32,880
more Sensational claims off the table

898
00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:35,159
you know and it's similar too and this

899
00:30:40,370 --> 00:30:38,100
isn't a dig but that Skinwalker Ranch or

900
00:30:42,169 --> 00:30:40,380
a documentary released by James Fox

901
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:42,179
because we love James and what his work

902
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,000
isn't going to have Smoking Gun

903
00:30:49,970 --> 00:30:47,520
disclosure after six months of

904
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:49,980
post-production yeah they would have

905
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:53,159
that out now or in the short term with a

906
00:30:58,130 --> 00:30:54,779
press release and done the right way and

907
00:30:59,990 --> 00:30:58,140
reviewed James Fox if he got the

908
00:31:01,909 --> 00:31:00,000
evidence do you know what James Fox for

909
00:31:03,710 --> 00:31:01,919
example who again like I say we love if

910
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,720
he got the video of the Virginia being

911
00:31:07,730 --> 00:31:06,360
standing there whatever it was he

912
00:31:09,470 --> 00:31:07,740
wouldn't wait and see I'm going to put

913
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,480
this out in a documentary no I don't

914
00:31:13,610 --> 00:31:11,120
think so yeah

915
00:31:15,830 --> 00:31:13,620
yeah he wouldn't he'd be on live news

916
00:31:18,830 --> 00:31:15,840
I've got the video big announcement nine

917
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,840
o'clock on Friday evening here it is

918
00:31:22,909 --> 00:31:21,299
bang there's the video and that's what

919
00:31:24,409 --> 00:31:22,919
would happen or even like a Rogan

920
00:31:27,110 --> 00:31:24,419
potentially it would be like a live Joe

921
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:27,120
Rogan because modern day but you would

922
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:28,320
go for the biggest audience which is

923
00:31:32,930 --> 00:31:31,080
still TV so yeah um but yeah no and yeah

924
00:31:33,769 --> 00:31:32,940
Fair Point sorry exactly there was an

925
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:33,779
interesting point he made about

926
00:31:37,010 --> 00:31:35,520
searching for anomalous things in the

927
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:37,020
solar system as well that really that's

928
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,000
NASA's kind of remit once you get you

929
00:31:42,950 --> 00:31:41,340
know above a certain height above the

930
00:31:44,450 --> 00:31:42,960
Earth it's all NASA NASA's the only

931
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:44,460
people looking there

932
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:46,020
um and that just brought me shades of

933
00:31:49,789 --> 00:31:48,299
umua and throughout this whole thing I

934
00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:49,799
just kept thinking of project Galileo

935
00:31:53,389 --> 00:31:51,480
who released a bunch of peer-reviewed

936
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:53,399
papers the other day and I'll just I'll

937
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:55,740
touch on those real quick yeah um that

938
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:58,260
basically the papers explore different

939
00:32:00,889 --> 00:31:59,460
branches of what they're doing at

940
00:32:02,389 --> 00:32:00,899
project Galileo they were looking at

941
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:02,399
Interstellar objects Interstellar

942
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,100
meteors UAP UAP Computing and processing

943
00:32:09,370 --> 00:32:07,500
pipelines UAP wide field observations

944
00:32:12,169 --> 00:32:09,380
which is like a wide camera basically

945
00:32:14,450 --> 00:32:12,179
Acoustics radar Network satellite data

946
00:32:15,710 --> 00:32:14,460
you know all the paints kind of focus on

947
00:32:17,149 --> 00:32:15,720
what they would do with it how they

948
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,159
would Define it you know getting to know

949
00:32:21,169 --> 00:32:19,440
the tools and and the parameters of what

950
00:32:24,049 --> 00:32:21,179
they could see on there

951
00:32:25,909 --> 00:32:24,059
um and it almost feels like Galileo

952
00:32:27,230 --> 00:32:25,919
project is because they don't have this

953
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,240
governmental red tape they've just run

954
00:32:30,350 --> 00:32:28,860
with this so when NASA's kind of going

955
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:30,360
oh yeah maybe we'll make a census system

956
00:32:33,710 --> 00:32:31,980
with multiple different sensors project

957
00:32:35,570 --> 00:32:33,720
Galileo or Avi is just over there going

958
00:32:37,370 --> 00:32:35,580
yeah we we've done this do you want in

959
00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,380
on this you know they've made the

960
00:32:41,570 --> 00:32:39,659
software and things like that work for

961
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,580
each other if I copy and paste all those

962
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,820
pure reviewed papers into Dan GPT and

963
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:46,799
ask that and GPT to summarize it quickly

964
00:32:50,990 --> 00:32:49,020
for me so what what work have they done

965
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:51,000
what's the impact to this work

966
00:32:56,269 --> 00:32:53,279
so basically it's laying the groundwork

967
00:32:57,769 --> 00:32:56,279
for what we know so that when something

968
00:32:59,510 --> 00:32:57,779
anomalous comes along we can

969
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:59,520
definitively say it's anomalous and it's

970
00:33:02,990 --> 00:33:01,140
not a trick of the sensor it's not you

971
00:33:04,970 --> 00:33:03,000
know all these other little weird quirks

972
00:33:07,549 --> 00:33:04,980
that are always said to be

973
00:33:10,909 --> 00:33:07,559
um yeah essentially very citizen science

974
00:33:12,289 --> 00:33:10,919
heavy uh and and they're real eager so I

975
00:33:13,549 --> 00:33:12,299
mean I can go through in detail with you

976
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:13,559
if you want

977
00:33:18,289 --> 00:33:16,200
um but the the few standout things is

978
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,299
Avi used a few new acronyms throughout

979
00:33:22,310 --> 00:33:19,440
the papers

980
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:22,320
um IMS Interstellar meteors isos

981
00:33:26,690 --> 00:33:25,500
Interstellar objects and etcs not heard

982
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:26,700
that one before extraterrestrial

983
00:33:30,350 --> 00:33:28,799
technological civilizations

984
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:30,360
interesting way to talk about it and

985
00:33:33,289 --> 00:33:32,340
today we even heard

986
00:33:36,830 --> 00:33:33,299
um

987
00:33:39,049 --> 00:33:36,840
mentioned in this briefing and it was to

988
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:39,059
deny that they exist but that phrase

989
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:40,620
hasn't been out there before this is

990
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:42,480
like you know you could almost suspect

991
00:33:45,529 --> 00:33:43,919
that it's seeding these kind of ideas

992
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:45,539
slowly drip your grip with the

993
00:33:47,870 --> 00:33:46,620
disclosure

994
00:33:49,730 --> 00:33:47,880
um if you wanted to think that way to

995
00:33:52,250 --> 00:33:49,740
get to the point of well actually we

996
00:33:55,009 --> 00:33:52,260
said it doesn't exist but we've just got

997
00:33:57,889 --> 00:33:55,019
this piece of data or actually this data

998
00:34:00,529 --> 00:33:57,899
set or we've been looking at x and we've

999
00:34:02,210 --> 00:34:00,539
found why so yeah like you say it's it

1000
00:34:04,130 --> 00:34:02,220
just introduces the language doesn't it

1001
00:34:05,389 --> 00:34:04,140
yeah absolutely and you know if you had

1002
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:05,399
a bingo card out there I would have

1003
00:34:12,230 --> 00:34:06,840
struck it off even though it denied it

1004
00:34:15,770 --> 00:34:14,149
um but yeah you know we just reiterated

1005
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,780
or they reiterated a lot of what we've

1006
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:17,520
heard from Galileo project anyway but

1007
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,919
just in a peer-reviewed form and as we

1008
00:34:22,970 --> 00:34:21,300
always say this is the language of

1009
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:22,980
science this is how we professionalize

1010
00:34:26,329 --> 00:34:24,780
the UAP studies and move things forward

1011
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,339
there

1012
00:34:30,109 --> 00:34:28,800
um they were looking at

1013
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,119
the phrase patterns of life was

1014
00:34:33,950 --> 00:34:32,399
mentioned again the other day and a lot

1015
00:34:35,869 --> 00:34:33,960
of that plays into what Galileo were

1016
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,879
doing essentially identifying what a

1017
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,919
signature of an airplane is or a drone

1018
00:34:43,250 --> 00:34:39,960
and be able to just apply that to data

1019
00:34:45,409 --> 00:34:43,260
gathered and and have these AI or ml

1020
00:34:46,430 --> 00:34:45,419
systems just wipe out the prosaic stuff

1021
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,440
and leave you with the really

1022
00:34:49,909 --> 00:34:48,240
interesting anomalous things to kind of

1023
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:49,919
work on

1024
00:34:53,869 --> 00:34:51,899
um so yeah that's in a little nutshell

1025
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,879
that's kind of what the Galileo stuff is

1026
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:55,260
I'd recommend people go reading the

1027
00:34:58,370 --> 00:34:56,520
abstracts they're just like summery

1028
00:34:59,810 --> 00:34:58,380
pieces the front of the papers that you

1029
00:35:01,250 --> 00:34:59,820
know don't get into the math and things

1030
00:35:03,530 --> 00:35:01,260
like that

1031
00:35:05,390 --> 00:35:03,540
um but there's nothing you know there

1032
00:35:07,190 --> 00:35:05,400
are no Bombshells as people like to say

1033
00:35:09,050 --> 00:35:07,200
in there it's just more you know it's a

1034
00:35:10,849 --> 00:35:09,060
big moment it's a seven peer-reviewed

1035
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:10,859
papers that are out there now and and

1036
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,079
before they were very limited amount um

1037
00:35:16,670 --> 00:35:14,820
it's cool to think that someone from

1038
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:16,680
Harvard is doing this and they all have

1039
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,300
so many authors as well that it's just

1040
00:35:23,329 --> 00:35:20,880
yeah it's impressive and AVI has a new

1041
00:35:25,609 --> 00:35:23,339
book out in a few months does he what's

1042
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:25,619
the book yes

1043
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,260
uh the book's called Interstellar and it

1044
00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:30,960
comes out in August 29th

1045
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:33,599
um would you just just kind of that's

1046
00:35:37,370 --> 00:35:35,760
like a month after we heard the report

1047
00:35:39,890 --> 00:35:37,380
was coming this year Kirkpatrick said

1048
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:39,900
August 1 on August 1st as the rest of us

1049
00:35:44,329 --> 00:35:41,040
say

1050
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,339
um the the public unclassified UAP

1051
00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,440
annual report will come out with updated

1052
00:35:50,030 --> 00:35:48,000
figures and things like that for us to

1053
00:35:52,010 --> 00:35:50,040
dig into and no doubt complain about and

1054
00:35:54,170 --> 00:35:52,020
praise and you know really tear apart

1055
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:54,180
but again as we always say this is now

1056
00:35:57,770 --> 00:35:56,339
chapter three of a sixth chapter book

1057
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:57,780
that we're gonna get at the very least

1058
00:36:01,130 --> 00:36:00,060
studying this stuff on the point of view

1059
00:36:04,370 --> 00:36:01,140
of the

1060
00:36:06,109 --> 00:36:04,380
the federal government essentially I

1061
00:36:07,569 --> 00:36:06,119
mean that's been a slow burner so far

1062
00:36:10,010 --> 00:36:07,579
Dan I hope

1063
00:36:11,329 --> 00:36:10,020
soon yeah it's worse than Game of

1064
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:11,339
Thrones do you think they're definitely

1065
00:36:14,510 --> 00:36:13,140
gonna get the last one in I'm still

1066
00:36:16,730 --> 00:36:14,520
waiting Kiefer Sutherland coming in and

1067
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:16,740
kicking the door and his daughter being

1068
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:18,000
kidnapped

1069
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,480
um to round off the NASA stuff then um

1070
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,520
went well what was the final kind of

1071
00:36:26,870 --> 00:36:25,380
moments are we looking at is this

1072
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,880
getting extended are we going to get

1073
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,000
funding for it is this going to continue

1074
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:31,920
somebody asked about mud funding in the

1075
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:34,200
in the media conference

1076
00:36:37,370 --> 00:36:35,940
um and the response was like Hey look we

1077
00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:37,380
were just coming up the roadmap we

1078
00:36:41,089 --> 00:36:38,940
didn't give them a budget or anything

1079
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:41,099
like that really what NASA do is they

1080
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:43,020
ask a bunch of these independent teams

1081
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:44,760
to come up with road maps and plans and

1082
00:36:48,410 --> 00:36:46,980
things like that and then during summer

1083
00:36:49,849 --> 00:36:48,420
they will assess it when the report is

1084
00:36:50,930 --> 00:36:49,859
released I think it was end of July they

1085
00:36:52,010 --> 00:36:50,940
said that we'll be able to read that

1086
00:36:53,810 --> 00:36:52,020
yeah

1087
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,820
um and then they'll go from there but

1088
00:36:58,130 --> 00:36:55,440
you know the highlights of five eyes the

1089
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:58,140
15 to 40 anomalous events in Arrow

1090
00:37:01,970 --> 00:36:59,940
um see an experts really dig into this

1091
00:37:04,609 --> 00:37:01,980
and seem to salivate in the moment you

1092
00:37:06,349 --> 00:37:04,619
know I know Nadia Dr Nadia Drake has

1093
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,359
experienced some kind of backlash online

1094
00:37:10,430 --> 00:37:08,640
and like I said I feel like she had an

1095
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:10,440
incredible show and today you know like

1096
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,720
for someone that said it's not aliens

1097
00:37:18,109 --> 00:37:14,820
um she certainly seems open to it uh you

1098
00:37:20,390 --> 00:37:18,119
know when you go beyond 140 characters

1099
00:37:22,250 --> 00:37:20,400
um I felt like Dr Kirkpatrick was almost

1100
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:22,260
nudging NASA to kind of say go on do the

1101
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,700
things I can't because my hands are tied

1102
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:25,920
in certain ways and that in itself is

1103
00:37:29,630 --> 00:37:27,839
interesting

1104
00:37:32,810 --> 00:37:29,640
um they recommended to look at archival

1105
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,820
data they recommended that a permanent

1106
00:37:37,010 --> 00:37:34,920
NASA office is established look at UAP

1107
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:37,020
so that the work isn't in vain that was

1108
00:37:39,230 --> 00:37:38,160
when they were talking about harassment

1109
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:39,240
and things like that and kind of saying

1110
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:40,440
you know this could go away if the right

1111
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,940
person wanted it to go away do you know

1112
00:37:44,450 --> 00:37:43,200
it's quite funny you would just kind of

1113
00:37:46,130 --> 00:37:44,460
think NASA would have had that stuff

1114
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:46,140
anyway wouldn't you given it's NASA it

1115
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,900
would yeah yeah yeah you really would

1116
00:37:52,250 --> 00:37:51,000
um and especially with Bill Nelson being

1117
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:52,260
at the head of IT who was on one of the

1118
00:37:55,550 --> 00:37:53,820
subcommittees that started this whole

1119
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:55,560
thing anyway with the language

1120
00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:56,760
um you know I can't see it going away

1121
00:37:59,990 --> 00:37:58,740
but the more work they do the more sd6

1122
00:38:02,329 --> 00:38:00,000
do you know what else a lot about like

1123
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:02,339
imagine we had like an organization for

1124
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:04,020
the world that was just in charge of the

1125
00:38:08,510 --> 00:38:07,079
oceans and that organization when you

1126
00:38:09,650 --> 00:38:08,520
went to it one day you were like ah so

1127
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:09,660
who's looking at all the animals in

1128
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:11,900
there oh but don't look at those yeah

1129
00:38:18,829 --> 00:38:17,220
yeah it could be we don't know yeah the

1130
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:18,839
space and animal occupies is the absence

1131
00:38:22,609 --> 00:38:20,700
of water so we don't look at that yeah

1132
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:22,619
exactly so yeah if anything that are

1133
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,820
hindrance um move on uh so yeah and the

1134
00:38:30,050 --> 00:38:28,560
pub public portion of the public

1135
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:30,060
questions that's one thing I didn't get

1136
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,460
to see yeah I mean anything interesting

1137
00:38:36,710 --> 00:38:34,800
from there so a lot of the questions

1138
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,720
were kind of bundled into subject areas

1139
00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:37,920
because they just have a lot of

1140
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:39,240
questions they've also said that stuff

1141
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,380
that they didn't get to they'll be

1142
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:41,940
posting answers to on their website in

1143
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,680
their kind of monster stuff which is

1144
00:38:46,609 --> 00:38:44,880
cool

1145
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:46,619
um so they spoke about

1146
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,200
uh what data is in the report so again

1147
00:38:52,670 --> 00:38:50,880
they reiterated that they're creating a

1148
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:52,680
road map it's a better data collection

1149
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,200
not necessarily looking backwards

1150
00:38:58,730 --> 00:38:57,359
um spoke about hiding of info someone

1151
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:58,740
asked about cutting of the International

1152
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:01,079
Space Station feed uh to which they said

1153
00:39:05,089 --> 00:39:03,839
you know no not as far as we're aware

1154
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,099
um again these people don't work on

1155
00:39:09,069 --> 00:39:06,560
those cameras they could be disconnected

1156
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:09,079
because they said no

1157
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:10,740
you're right

1158
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,020
um Usos Sean Kirkpatrick said that there

1159
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:14,880
was nothing on record of Uso and that

1160
00:39:18,170 --> 00:39:16,320
anything that goes under the water was

1161
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,180
actually a sensor anomaly and there's

1162
00:39:22,370 --> 00:39:19,920
nothing in those 800 reports he has that

1163
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,380
is a Uso pretty interesting considering

1164
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,320
can you can you smell that then

1165
00:39:28,130 --> 00:39:26,880
is that is it does that smell of cow

1166
00:39:31,780 --> 00:39:28,140
dung is that is that what was

1167
00:39:37,030 --> 00:39:31,790
occasionally yeah smells like BS

1168
00:39:42,530 --> 00:39:38,829
yeah

1169
00:39:45,230 --> 00:39:42,540
then uh solving the stigma as well

1170
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:45,240
um working with Partners uh got brought

1171
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:46,740
up where they were just talking about

1172
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:49,140
you know this was where non-human

1173
00:39:52,130 --> 00:39:50,700
intelligence was mentioned

1174
00:39:53,150 --> 00:39:52,140
um yeah and this was really them talking

1175
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:53,160
about work in the private space

1176
00:39:56,270 --> 00:39:54,240
companies

1177
00:39:58,370 --> 00:39:56,280
um apparently a bunch of private place

1178
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:58,380
companies wanted to present today which

1179
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:00,180
makes you wonder like oh okay does

1180
00:40:04,010 --> 00:40:01,980
SpaceX have some information they maybe

1181
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:04,020
want to share or you know that'd be

1182
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,480
interesting to hear from them

1183
00:40:09,650 --> 00:40:08,160
um then they spoke about budgeting which

1184
00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:09,660
we already spoke about

1185
00:40:13,550 --> 00:40:11,460
um and also what wouldn't have to do if

1186
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,560
ET was discovered which I thought was

1187
00:40:16,849 --> 00:40:14,880
interesting you know what were they

1188
00:40:19,490 --> 00:40:16,859
actually do and the answer was a lot of

1189
00:40:21,829 --> 00:40:19,500
more science right uh to kind of confirm

1190
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,839
what it is and so on so forth

1191
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:23,760
um but it just makes my brain kind of go

1192
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:25,320
to okay so if you send a probe to a

1193
00:40:28,310 --> 00:40:26,880
planet to look at intelligent life that

1194
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,320
intelligent life is good to experience

1195
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:31,200
their tic tack from us you know it's a

1196
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:33,300
really interesting thing about

1197
00:40:37,970 --> 00:40:35,579
um they mentioned that more people were

1198
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:37,980
watching today than watch a typical NASA

1199
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:40,380
live stream so like you said earlier the

1200
00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:41,760
figures you know people might be looking

1201
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,839
thinking they're low but actually

1202
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:45,060
there's huge interest in this

1203
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:47,520
um it's still not still not dead versus

1204
00:40:52,010 --> 00:40:50,640
here which I'll always be my go-to maybe

1205
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:52,020
if we can get Johnny Depp in court again

1206
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:53,400
and him talking about it on the stand

1207
00:40:58,609 --> 00:40:56,640
just a sidebar Review AP you know that

1208
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,619
lasted trick

1209
00:41:02,030 --> 00:41:00,599
um but yeah they made the point you know

1210
00:41:05,089 --> 00:41:02,040
they'd be highly driven to share of

1211
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:05,099
results Captain Jack Arrow nice I like

1212
00:41:15,170 --> 00:41:14,329
um and yeah they were kind of saying you

1213
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:15,180
know we want to show that we're

1214
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:17,099
succeeding we're paid to succeed so

1215
00:41:20,210 --> 00:41:18,240
therefore we want to show that we're

1216
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,220
succeeding so if you found something uh

1217
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:22,320
we would absolutely share it and follow

1218
00:41:25,609 --> 00:41:23,700
it up you know with our International

1219
00:41:27,230 --> 00:41:25,619
partners and things like that we saw in

1220
00:41:29,810 --> 00:41:27,240
a 12-part series building up to it in

1221
00:41:32,930 --> 00:41:29,820
the 12th episode yeah for sure

1222
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:32,940
um then uh yeah the brainstorming out

1223
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,040
loud needle in the haystack thing like I

1224
00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,720
said Heroes for me today were Federica

1225
00:41:40,910 --> 00:41:39,180
Bianco and David grinspoon their names I

1226
00:41:42,349 --> 00:41:40,920
think we should look out for

1227
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:42,359
um maybe email try and get us through a

1228
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,500
conversation I know you've been talking

1229
00:41:47,630 --> 00:41:44,880
to Nadia

1230
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:47,640
um for possible future shows Gavin the

1231
00:41:53,030 --> 00:41:48,900
online abuse have all been getting I

1232
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:55,069
um mentioned that they want to make the

1233
00:41:59,329 --> 00:41:56,220
app

1234
00:42:01,490 --> 00:41:59,339
um and also just after this uh looking

1235
00:42:02,930 --> 00:42:01,500
on the BBC front page boom there it was

1236
00:42:04,849 --> 00:42:02,940
right on the front page really big not

1237
00:42:06,410 --> 00:42:04,859
small not downplaying it not talking

1238
00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:06,420
about oh most of them are solved it was

1239
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,920
talking about right up front in the

1240
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,839
article that a lot of cases are unsolved

1241
00:42:13,609 --> 00:42:11,640
and seem to be anomalous which was kind

1242
00:42:15,290 --> 00:42:13,619
of a sea change right this is this is

1243
00:42:17,690 --> 00:42:15,300
what we get with NASA coming into this

1244
00:42:19,550 --> 00:42:17,700
game and just being honest about it and

1245
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:19,560
just overall you know it finished and I

1246
00:42:24,410 --> 00:42:21,599
I tend to Elaine and I was like did we

1247
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:24,420
just watch a full odd bleep in our NASA

1248
00:42:31,130 --> 00:42:27,680
event on ueb when did this become normal

1249
00:42:34,190 --> 00:42:31,140
uh snow Infinity War slash endgame Saga

1250
00:42:35,630 --> 00:42:34,200
but it'll do but I think we've had 42

1251
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:35,640
minutes on that now thank you for the

1252
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,140
for the recap and all the bullet points

1253
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,240
Dan very much appreciated

1254
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:41,040
um it was positive I think you said so

1255
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:43,740
the same more than what I expected and

1256
00:42:48,589 --> 00:42:46,500
fingers crossed after that report we see

1257
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:48,599
some kind of movement in terms of NASA

1258
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,920
staying involved

1259
00:42:53,210 --> 00:42:52,140
opening up that budget getting more of a

1260
00:42:55,370 --> 00:42:53,220
budget

1261
00:42:57,530 --> 00:42:55,380
to let folks work on this in the way

1262
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:57,540
that they're suggesting yeah 100 you

1263
00:42:59,690 --> 00:42:58,440
know if there was a five-year-old

1264
00:43:01,490 --> 00:42:59,700
watching today who's inspired to go

1265
00:43:03,530 --> 00:43:01,500
study UAP and do it with all seriousness

1266
00:43:06,050 --> 00:43:03,540
boom mission accomplished as far as I

1267
00:43:08,569 --> 00:43:06,060
probably need someone 18 plus but I

1268
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:08,579
appreciate it yeah

1269
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:10,079
um one one thing to mention just before

1270
00:43:13,370 --> 00:43:11,760
we close out Michael Masters Dr Michael

1271
00:43:14,569 --> 00:43:13,380
Masters has a new book

1272
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:14,579
um Olaf and I had the pleasure of doing

1273
00:43:18,170 --> 00:43:16,140
the cover which we thought was wonderful

1274
00:43:19,790 --> 00:43:18,180
we had a good time doing it but

1275
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:19,800
um it's called Revelation the future

1276
00:43:23,089 --> 00:43:21,900
human past and just as a little kind of

1277
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:23,099
summary

1278
00:43:26,809 --> 00:43:24,660
um the back of the book blurb says a

1279
00:43:30,050 --> 00:43:26,819
society teaches on the brink of nuclear

1280
00:43:31,849 --> 00:43:30,060
apocalypse Marcus Moksha and oversexed

1281
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:31,859
alcoholic Anthropologist encounters

1282
00:43:36,290 --> 00:43:34,079
dodon a telepathic woman from the future

1283
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:36,300
who recognizes his import to the fate of

1284
00:43:41,089 --> 00:43:39,180
humanity she recruits him to join her

1285
00:43:43,010 --> 00:43:41,099
team of time traveling scientists aboard

1286
00:43:44,809 --> 00:43:43,020
the UFO as they Venture back to the

1287
00:43:46,490 --> 00:43:44,819
distant past seeking to enact a change

1288
00:43:48,290 --> 00:43:46,500
that will bring peace to his time and

1289
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,300
avert the Great War so this is really

1290
00:43:53,809 --> 00:43:51,720
Michael running with his idea of these

1291
00:43:55,490 --> 00:43:53,819
UFOs the time travelers from the future

1292
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:55,500
and kind of thinking okay in fiction how

1293
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:56,940
can I explore what that would actually

1294
00:43:59,930 --> 00:43:58,260
look like from their point of view

1295
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,940
really interesting

1296
00:44:04,849 --> 00:44:01,920
Michael's on the podcast in two weeks to

1297
00:44:05,930 --> 00:44:04,859
discuss that in detail yeah I've got one

1298
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:05,940
of the first copies of the book before

1299
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,040
Michael has a copy actually yeah because

1300
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,319
of the way he sent out it was like yeah

1301
00:44:13,370 --> 00:44:11,520
um you're going to get it before me so

1302
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:13,380
send me pictures of what it looks like I

1303
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:15,480
was like okay yeah and that was the same

1304
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:17,099
first time I saw the cover as well so

1305
00:44:21,410 --> 00:44:19,920
that that's wild nice uh right anyway

1306
00:44:23,809 --> 00:44:21,420
yeah so something we hadn't talked about

1307
00:44:25,370 --> 00:44:23,819
last week and that happened and there's

1308
00:44:28,130 --> 00:44:25,380
been follow-up too and it's worth kind

1309
00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:28,140
of going over was Jeremy Corbell and

1310
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:31,260
George Knapp announced uh high noon uh

1311
00:44:36,050 --> 00:44:33,720
new UA UAP case

1312
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,060
um it was the Mojave Desert triangle and

1313
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:38,720
that dropped last week to a lot of

1314
00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,280
scuttlebutt and Fanfare and everything

1315
00:44:45,230 --> 00:44:43,560
in between and essentially to recap

1316
00:44:46,910 --> 00:44:45,240
there were lights in the sky observed

1317
00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:46,920
and recorded by Marines out in the

1318
00:44:50,510 --> 00:44:48,900
Mojave theater and a test area test

1319
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:50,520
range that's about a thousand square

1320
00:44:56,329 --> 00:44:53,579
miles in April 2021.

1321
00:44:58,730 --> 00:44:56,339
um the the lights were like a five

1322
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,740
points of light in a sort of triangle

1323
00:45:02,630 --> 00:45:00,660
looking formation from angle of the

1324
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:02,640
picture that was posted online the

1325
00:45:07,309 --> 00:45:05,460
initial episode of weaponized presented

1326
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:07,319
it with the audio from the Marines

1327
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,140
filming it and we were told that from a

1328
00:45:15,410 --> 00:45:12,599
few different video clips of this that

1329
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:15,420
the longer the objects where they are or

1330
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:17,579
the object was a solid body it was a

1331
00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:19,020
craft and it was there for up to half an

1332
00:45:22,730 --> 00:45:21,180
hour 35 minutes none of the videos

1333
00:45:26,510 --> 00:45:22,740
showed that

1334
00:45:28,069 --> 00:45:26,520
um got a lot of questions online I think

1335
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:28,079
it was the usual split off while this is

1336
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:31,560
amazing down to Absolute nothing Burger

1337
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,240
um a few people done some work online

1338
00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:35,099
including John Greenwald I know Mick

1339
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,900
West done some work on it and you've got

1340
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:38,579
to give them credit when it's due

1341
00:45:42,890 --> 00:45:41,220
because they very quickly found dates

1342
00:45:44,750 --> 00:45:42,900
and times relating to a military

1343
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:44,760
training exercise at the same date and

1344
00:45:48,349 --> 00:45:45,900
time

1345
00:45:50,210 --> 00:45:48,359
um where our flares were dropped this is

1346
00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:50,220
where things get a bit muddied though

1347
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:54,140
because you had testimony from Marines

1348
00:45:59,150 --> 00:45:56,700
confirming or they were at least saying

1349
00:46:00,530 --> 00:45:59,160
they saw a body or an apparent body of a

1350
00:46:02,809 --> 00:46:00,540
craft and that the object was there for

1351
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,819
a long time however if you just look at

1352
00:46:07,250 --> 00:46:05,520
the data and we we always say and other

1353
00:46:10,010 --> 00:46:07,260
people say we need more data on these

1354
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,020
things the data really does point to it

1355
00:46:14,809 --> 00:46:12,540
was flares dropping there were even some

1356
00:46:17,930 --> 00:46:14,819
some other pictures and videos showing

1357
00:46:20,569 --> 00:46:17,940
The Descent of the flares and none of

1358
00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:20,579
the supposed longer videos bear in mind

1359
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:22,380
you're on mute Dan when you talk oh

1360
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:23,760
sorry I just said Thank you to gnosis

1361
00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,359
for his little graphic of the yeah

1362
00:46:32,450 --> 00:46:30,420
um none of the longer videos are

1363
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,460
actually there or have been seen by

1364
00:46:36,410 --> 00:46:34,380
Jeremy Corbell so I get to that that was

1365
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,420
what happened in the first week and but

1366
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,579
in the follow-up Jeremy corbill and

1367
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:40,560
George Knapp have just released a show

1368
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,500
where they're looking over that initial

1369
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:45,240
episode they've done they said they

1370
00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:47,160
worked on it for two years George Knapp

1371
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,780
is quick to follow up it wasn't two

1372
00:46:52,910 --> 00:46:51,119
years of solid research it was on and

1373
00:46:54,650 --> 00:46:52,920
off obviously they're busy people as

1374
00:46:56,089 --> 00:46:54,660
well so for anyone who pointed out

1375
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:56,099
you've done this for two years and this

1376
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,380
is what you've got that wasn't the case

1377
00:47:02,270 --> 00:47:00,720
um so in the follow-up napping corbella

1378
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,280
showed they only presented dinner

1379
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,920
showcase and then said it's time to

1380
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,960
investigate giving off the impression

1381
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,579
that they they put out there for other

1382
00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,040
people to then do some leg work they

1383
00:47:16,670 --> 00:47:13,920
played some additional audio of Marines

1384
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:16,680
calling up to say what they believe they

1385
00:47:20,690 --> 00:47:19,140
saw including formed a craft it wasn't

1386
00:47:21,950 --> 00:47:20,700
flares dropping they know what flares

1387
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,960
look like

1388
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:24,240
um so let's get to it then

1389
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,220
part of the issue I feel with this Dan

1390
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,800
is people who don't like Jerry mccorbell

1391
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:30,960
of which there are plenty and Jeremy

1392
00:47:33,950 --> 00:47:32,520
knows that as well and to a lesson

1393
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,960
extent people who can have bash George

1394
00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:35,280
Knapp

1395
00:47:38,210 --> 00:47:36,180
um

1396
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:38,220
aren't going to like anything they put

1397
00:47:42,349 --> 00:47:40,140
out and if it was other people may have

1398
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:42,359
had more time and patience for it uh

1399
00:47:45,710 --> 00:47:43,740
there's a bit of a cult of personality

1400
00:47:47,630 --> 00:47:45,720
that goes on around that

1401
00:47:49,190 --> 00:47:47,640
um but they put that information out

1402
00:47:51,470 --> 00:47:49,200
there and they got what they wanted

1403
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:51,480
quickly and that was the public working

1404
00:47:56,690 --> 00:47:54,900
on this uh and like I say the work drunk

1405
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:56,700
Dreamworld Mick West and others have

1406
00:48:01,910 --> 00:48:00,540
done seem to point to it was flares so

1407
00:48:03,710 --> 00:48:01,920
what what's been your initial thoughts

1408
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:03,720
on all of this and then can I wherever

1409
00:48:08,510 --> 00:48:06,119
that yeah it's it's a really curious

1410
00:48:09,950 --> 00:48:08,520
case like like most of these drops I

1411
00:48:11,569 --> 00:48:09,960
tend to like to sit back and just see

1412
00:48:12,890 --> 00:48:11,579
what data falls out from it from the

1413
00:48:14,569 --> 00:48:12,900
discussion instead of you know going

1414
00:48:17,150 --> 00:48:14,579
knee deep in it and

1415
00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:17,160
yeah just making my mind upon limited

1416
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,300
data

1417
00:48:22,430 --> 00:48:19,680
um you know we had a statement from

1418
00:48:24,170 --> 00:48:22,440
Susan Goff who who pointed out the uh

1419
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:24,180
weapons and tactics instructor course

1420
00:48:27,470 --> 00:48:25,800
was being conducted and that's where a

1421
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,480
lot of the activity for the Humvees and

1422
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:29,579
helicopters that we heard about was but

1423
00:48:34,250 --> 00:48:32,280
I would say Jeremy and George were very

1424
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:34,260
upfront in that first episode saying you

1425
00:48:37,130 --> 00:48:35,220
know we're putting this out there

1426
00:48:38,990 --> 00:48:37,140
because we want people to help us

1427
00:48:40,490 --> 00:48:39,000
in a way I kind of wish they did that

1428
00:48:41,690 --> 00:48:40,500
earlier instead of holding it back for

1429
00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:41,700
two years

1430
00:48:45,650 --> 00:48:43,260
um you know we seem to get pretty far

1431
00:48:47,630 --> 00:48:45,660
within a short amount of time uh once it

1432
00:48:49,309 --> 00:48:47,640
was released you know

1433
00:48:51,410 --> 00:48:49,319
um and like you say there's that Cult of

1434
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,420
Personality at Play We heard initially

1435
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:53,520
there were about 50 Witnesses probably

1436
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:55,440
closer to you know eight that's actually

1437
00:48:58,550 --> 00:48:56,880
speaking

1438
00:49:01,069 --> 00:48:58,560
um and it's really curious to hear those

1439
00:49:02,870 --> 00:49:01,079
guys talk what we have to remember is

1440
00:49:04,730 --> 00:49:02,880
that their expertise at their expertise

1441
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:04,740
you know one of the guys for example

1442
00:49:08,990 --> 00:49:05,940
said

1443
00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:09,000
um I'm a player expert they don't fall

1444
00:49:12,530 --> 00:49:11,040
for that long when we heard from other

1445
00:49:14,569 --> 00:49:12,540
places already that actually some

1446
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,579
players do fall for a half hour and we

1447
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:16,260
really can't count that out and neither

1448
00:49:19,550 --> 00:49:17,400
of those people are being malicious

1449
00:49:21,170 --> 00:49:19,560
they're just sharing what they know yeah

1450
00:49:22,609 --> 00:49:21,180
and that's what we've got to kind of you

1451
00:49:24,470 --> 00:49:22,619
know be easy on people and kind of say

1452
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:24,480
okay sure you saw that let's kind of dig

1453
00:49:34,190 --> 00:49:30,890
again maliciously but and this this is

1454
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,200
not to downplay any Marines or combat

1455
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:36,000
veterans or anything like that but you

1456
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:37,859
can misremember any of it I remember

1457
00:49:42,109 --> 00:49:39,420
things I'd done in School playing

1458
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:42,119
football at lunchtime and I scored a

1459
00:49:46,849 --> 00:49:44,280
goal from 35 yards out into the top

1460
00:49:48,470 --> 00:49:46,859
Corner great volume everyone ran after

1461
00:49:50,329 --> 00:49:48,480
me and shield probably didn't happen

1462
00:49:51,650 --> 00:49:50,339
like that but it's just the way my

1463
00:49:53,030 --> 00:49:51,660
memories remember that you've got your

1464
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:53,040
medal as well right and then you played

1465
00:49:57,410 --> 00:49:54,319
for real

1466
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,420
madridor 100 yeah and that's just that's

1467
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,000
just what happens to to memory

1468
00:50:04,309 --> 00:50:02,339
um and the confirmation base comes into

1469
00:50:06,050 --> 00:50:04,319
it some of the folks and I'll be really

1470
00:50:07,730 --> 00:50:06,060
honest and I messaged Jeremy about this

1471
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:07,740
after as well just kind of having a bit

1472
00:50:11,270 --> 00:50:10,079
of a back and forward on it I felt some

1473
00:50:15,050 --> 00:50:11,280
of the

1474
00:50:18,410 --> 00:50:15,060
sounded like they were kind of like UFO

1475
00:50:19,849 --> 00:50:18,420
fans sure like they would maybe lean

1476
00:50:22,490 --> 00:50:19,859
towards and I might be wrong and just

1477
00:50:24,950 --> 00:50:22,500
from what I heard they would maybe lean

1478
00:50:27,770 --> 00:50:24,960
towards this being like a UFO event

1479
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:27,780
and look for that and I wonder like you

1480
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:30,420
say of those other Witnesses one of the

1481
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:31,800
one of the Marines talks about the

1482
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:33,540
hooches which is what they I think where

1483
00:50:37,069 --> 00:50:34,859
they live or stay or something it

1484
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,079
sounded like just from the context and

1485
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:38,400
that there were around eight to ten

1486
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:39,839
people in each Hutch and there were like

1487
00:50:44,809 --> 00:50:42,359
10 hutches lined up and it made out

1488
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,819
there was probably 100 odd Witnesses so

1489
00:50:47,930 --> 00:50:46,500
would they all say the same thing or

1490
00:50:50,390 --> 00:50:47,940
would if you played more audio would

1491
00:50:51,650 --> 00:50:50,400
more of them have said nah it was flares

1492
00:50:53,870 --> 00:50:51,660
they dropped and they were gone like

1493
00:50:55,670 --> 00:50:53,880
that was it it's been conveyed a lot to

1494
00:50:57,530 --> 00:50:55,680
the Phoenix Lights right and and you

1495
00:50:59,210 --> 00:50:57,540
cannot have the same sorry I'll back off

1496
00:51:01,730 --> 00:50:59,220
that one then I'm going to talk about

1497
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,740
post-processing on photos

1498
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:02,880
um just before we get to the Phoenix

1499
00:51:06,650 --> 00:51:05,040
Lights there's there's kind of a thing

1500
00:51:08,750 --> 00:51:06,660
that happens in smartphone photos these

1501
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,760
days a few months back there uh Samsung

1502
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:10,500
got accused of replacing the moon in

1503
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:12,180
shots yeah people were zooming in and

1504
00:51:15,470 --> 00:51:13,980
taking pictures of the Moon and someone

1505
00:51:16,670 --> 00:51:15,480
found that they were uniform throughout

1506
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:16,680
all these pictures and it would reveal

1507
00:51:21,049 --> 00:51:18,960
that actually the AI or you know the the

1508
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,059
chips in the phone were replacing the

1509
00:51:25,370 --> 00:51:23,760
picture with a detailed picture of the

1510
00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,380
moon so it looked better than it was

1511
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:27,720
this happens all the time on phones even

1512
00:51:33,049 --> 00:51:30,119
on on an iPhone when you're taking a raw

1513
00:51:34,370 --> 00:51:33,059
photo it'll still process this stuff so

1514
00:51:36,890 --> 00:51:34,380
we need to be aware that sometimes

1515
00:51:38,510 --> 00:51:36,900
lights Bunch together far away they will

1516
00:51:40,190 --> 00:51:38,520
be rendered as if there's a shape there

1517
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:40,200
it doesn't mean there was a shape there

1518
00:51:43,010 --> 00:51:41,579
you know I can take pictures of stars

1519
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:43,020
and do that

1520
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:45,119
um I saw examples of people taking

1521
00:51:48,710 --> 00:51:47,099
pictures of like cityscapes and if you

1522
00:51:50,750 --> 00:51:48,720
zoomed in on the windows the way that

1523
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,760
the the kind of algorithms or all the

1524
00:51:55,069 --> 00:51:52,440
shapes on the Windows was letters so

1525
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,079
they were random like jutted up words

1526
00:51:58,849 --> 00:51:57,359
kind of just on the side of buildings

1527
00:52:00,710 --> 00:51:58,859
and letters and things like that that

1528
00:52:02,210 --> 00:52:00,720
just weren't present in the photo so

1529
00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:02,220
you've got to be real mindful of that

1530
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:04,200
and I think that's why NASA were kind of

1531
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:05,520
saying you know we can't take these at

1532
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,319
face value anymore it's not just the

1533
00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:08,880
camera doesn't lie the camera lies all

1534
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:10,680
the time and we know about AI photos now

1535
00:52:14,750 --> 00:52:12,960
and things like that that we really need

1536
00:52:17,030 --> 00:52:14,760
to you know

1537
00:52:18,530 --> 00:52:17,040
kind of educate ourselves on it and know

1538
00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:18,540
what they do

1539
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:20,640
one of the arguments and this is where

1540
00:52:25,910 --> 00:52:22,140
the Phoenix light thing comes in was

1541
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:25,920
that there was a a genuine UAP event and

1542
00:52:32,170 --> 00:52:28,260
the lights were there and flares were

1543
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,180
dropped to eliminate the craft sure now

1544
00:52:37,130 --> 00:52:34,800
this is easily similar to the original

1545
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:37,140
Phoenix Lights event where people

1546
00:52:40,069 --> 00:52:38,880
people saw the craft there was the

1547
00:52:41,750 --> 00:52:40,079
thousands of Witnesses were sort of

1548
00:52:43,370 --> 00:52:41,760
flying overhead and over the over the

1549
00:52:45,170 --> 00:52:43,380
town but then

1550
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:45,180
the flares were dropped over the

1551
00:52:49,130 --> 00:52:47,220
mountain range and that's what the video

1552
00:52:52,130 --> 00:52:49,140
is that people see online in the famous

1553
00:52:54,650 --> 00:52:52,140
shot as of the flares

1554
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:54,660
now is there a chance that's what

1555
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,460
happened here that there was a UAP event

1556
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,319
but they used the fact they were on a

1557
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:00,180
military trading range they let the

1558
00:53:04,250 --> 00:53:01,980
object up I tried to light the object up

1559
00:53:05,930 --> 00:53:04,260
where it was knowing that well this is

1560
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:05,940
going to be a good opportunity to to

1561
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,800
quash this if indeed it does come out

1562
00:53:11,329 --> 00:53:09,599
and I wonder

1563
00:53:13,790 --> 00:53:11,339
and I've got this done as a discussion

1564
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:13,800
Point here people are very suspicious of

1565
00:53:18,109 --> 00:53:15,540
the government right and they play Down

1566
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,119
genuine events why in this case have

1567
00:53:22,730 --> 00:53:20,400
people been so quick to accept that it's

1568
00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,740
likely flares and nothing to see here

1569
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,260
when it's happened before and people

1570
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:27,599
have unless quickly jump on board again

1571
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:30,480
I'm not saying what I'm still seeing I

1572
00:53:35,390 --> 00:53:32,760
think it looked like it was flares but

1573
00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:35,400
is this because of who presented the

1574
00:53:40,490 --> 00:53:38,460
information or how it was presented

1575
00:53:42,890 --> 00:53:40,500
all the strength of the evidence against

1576
00:53:44,990 --> 00:53:42,900
it I'm still unsure and all that at the

1577
00:53:46,609 --> 00:53:45,000
minute yeah that's a great show you know

1578
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:46,619
sometimes the dod we're like oh yeah

1579
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:47,880
that's great thank you for the statement

1580
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,140
that backs up what I was thinking before

1581
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,880
and then other times it's like oh you're

1582
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,200
talking nonsense that doesn't I don't

1583
00:53:56,750 --> 00:53:54,300
agree with that at all guilty of that

1584
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,760
everyone's yeah that's this is the bias

1585
00:54:00,230 --> 00:53:58,020
that we were talking about earlier right

1586
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,240
we we take what's useful to us if we

1587
00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:01,920
drop the rest when really we should be

1588
00:54:06,589 --> 00:54:05,339
looking at everything and it's why I

1589
00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,599
really love the idea of different

1590
00:54:10,130 --> 00:54:08,520
independent study teams tackling these

1591
00:54:11,569 --> 00:54:10,140
things because they're free of that bias

1592
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,579
in different ways and then a combined

1593
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,920
picture can kind of paint a a decent

1594
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,839
presentation of the event you know even

1595
00:54:18,890 --> 00:54:17,460
the mayor since Phoenix Lights happened

1596
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:18,900
has come out and said yeah I saw it too

1597
00:54:21,829 --> 00:54:20,220
and it was crazy and I'm really sorry

1598
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:21,839
that I downplayed it at the time and so

1599
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:25,020
on so forth uh so we've always got to be

1600
00:54:28,370 --> 00:54:26,640
mindful that of these things that they

1601
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:28,380
can happen and who am I to say that

1602
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,000
someone didn't see a UAP you know I I

1603
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:31,680
feel like I've seen crazy things in the

1604
00:54:34,730 --> 00:54:33,300
sky that some people tell me were not

1605
00:54:37,010 --> 00:54:34,740
crazy things

1606
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:37,020
um so I just I don't have the authority

1607
00:54:41,809 --> 00:54:39,119
to say no I've got to take everything

1608
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:41,819
seriously and hold it lightly and and

1609
00:54:47,930 --> 00:54:45,599
kind of paint a picture that way

1610
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:47,940
um we said when weaponized was first

1611
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:50,160
announced it was a great opportunity for

1612
00:54:56,210 --> 00:54:52,319
instant gratification and the

1613
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,220
opportunity for napping corbel to

1614
00:54:59,690 --> 00:54:58,260
to drop something but then talk about it

1615
00:55:01,370 --> 00:54:59,700
straight away and then the week after

1616
00:55:02,930 --> 00:55:01,380
follow-up and I don't think there's been

1617
00:55:04,910 --> 00:55:02,940
enough of that follow-up and this seemed

1618
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:04,920
to be the first show where they really

1619
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,559
got their teeth into to what they talked

1620
00:55:10,849 --> 00:55:09,540
about before and that's that was always

1621
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:10,859
going to be the beauty of this the

1622
00:55:14,750 --> 00:55:12,720
podcast format for those two

1623
00:55:15,770 --> 00:55:14,760
particularly for me so I'm glad they've

1624
00:55:16,150 --> 00:55:15,780
done it

1625
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:16,160
um

1626
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:17,359
[Music]

1627
00:55:22,250 --> 00:55:19,380
testimony was the big thing here and

1628
00:55:24,530 --> 00:55:22,260
we've talked about this before that it's

1629
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:24,540
hard for some people to just rely on

1630
00:55:28,730 --> 00:55:27,000
testimony for any UFO or UAP event it's

1631
00:55:30,530 --> 00:55:28,740
not everyone's cup of tea it's Marmite

1632
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,540
some folks love it some folks will take

1633
00:55:34,490 --> 00:55:32,760
your story and go bang yeah God that

1634
00:55:36,530 --> 00:55:34,500
sounds incredible others will go is that

1635
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:36,540
all it is just your word and that's

1636
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,800
that's fine

1637
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:39,839
um Corbell said that given the testimony

1638
00:55:44,089 --> 00:55:41,640
and the video showing the potential

1639
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:44,099
dissent that he couldn't dismiss flares

1640
00:55:47,990 --> 00:55:46,680
that he did say which is fair

1641
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,000
um however for him the additional

1642
00:55:52,910 --> 00:55:50,400
witness testimony is what's stopping him

1643
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:52,920
saying case closed on this at the moment

1644
00:55:58,450 --> 00:55:56,640
for me this case at the minute

1645
00:56:01,970 --> 00:55:58,460
um which very much rests on how much

1646
00:56:03,589 --> 00:56:01,980
value you put into the limited testimony

1647
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:03,599
provided

1648
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:04,740
um

1649
00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,740
means that it's got to be filed under

1650
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:09,660
it'd be great if more evidence comes out

1651
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,740
but

1652
00:56:15,230 --> 00:56:12,780
we can go back to another time if that

1653
00:56:19,069 --> 00:56:15,240
happens otherwise you've got to go with

1654
00:56:21,170 --> 00:56:19,079
flares if they can get additional video

1655
00:56:23,569 --> 00:56:21,180
longer video

1656
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:23,579
um maybe even better quality video

1657
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:26,579
then maybe more witnesses coming forward

1658
00:56:30,109 --> 00:56:28,079
but right now

1659
00:56:31,309 --> 00:56:30,119
it's it goes down as yeah it was

1660
00:56:34,670 --> 00:56:31,319
probably flares and a bit of

1661
00:56:35,930 --> 00:56:34,680
misidentification and you know hey ho um

1662
00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:35,940
you cannot move on

1663
00:56:41,150 --> 00:56:38,760
I'll ask you that question then I think

1664
00:56:42,849 --> 00:56:41,160
the answer is part one year you're going

1665
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:42,859
with its flares from what you can tell

1666
00:56:48,170 --> 00:56:45,300
probably like statistically I would say

1667
00:56:50,569 --> 00:56:48,180
probably 90 flares you know right yeah

1668
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:50,579
um in that way other question though and

1669
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,079
I think I've asked you something similar

1670
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,720
before given given the reaction to this

1671
00:56:58,370 --> 00:56:56,160
and what's happened and how it was

1672
00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:58,380
presented and the follow-up Fallout and

1673
00:57:01,910 --> 00:56:59,760
the everything else

1674
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:01,920
would you rather we didn't get any drops

1675
00:57:09,170 --> 00:57:05,760
like this I include the LA bruja stuff

1676
00:57:11,089 --> 00:57:09,180
um the corbel stuff from 2019 the Omaha

1677
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,099
the speed in the water

1678
00:57:15,170 --> 00:57:13,200
would you rather none of this stuff ever

1679
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:15,180
came out the rubber duck footage

1680
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:18,359
to then pour over and look at and and

1681
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:19,680
discuss

1682
00:57:26,750 --> 00:57:23,520
or are you are you okay with this

1683
00:57:28,370 --> 00:57:26,760
for me I feel I like these releases

1684
00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:28,380
who I would have liked is for this one

1685
00:57:32,990 --> 00:57:30,540
to come out with the training kind of

1686
00:57:34,549 --> 00:57:33,000
exercise data I don't see the point in

1687
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:34,559
leaving that out we experienced this

1688
00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,480
before with um Ben Hansen and the

1689
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:38,099
spotlights and they said oh well we

1690
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:39,180
didn't think they were the spotlight so

1691
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:40,800
we just left out the story and it just

1692
00:57:44,210 --> 00:57:42,540
makes it look really suspicious to to

1693
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:44,220
people that are outside of our circles

1694
00:57:48,049 --> 00:57:45,480
you know

1695
00:57:50,630 --> 00:57:48,059
um and almost uh

1696
00:57:52,309 --> 00:57:50,640
Jeremy keep kept going back to that

1697
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,319
point of kind of saying you know this

1698
00:57:56,690 --> 00:57:54,480
may or may not be anomalous but the one

1699
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:56,700
thing that we should realize is this

1700
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,500
wasn't reported to Arrow this wasn't

1701
00:58:02,150 --> 00:58:00,359
reported up the chain the stigma is very

1702
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:02,160
real and alive here and that's a broken

1703
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:04,920
process so why didn't our investigate it

1704
00:58:07,849 --> 00:58:06,300
did they find out it was flares before

1705
00:58:09,230 --> 00:58:07,859
because I feel like they would

1706
00:58:11,089 --> 00:58:09,240
definitively be able to answer whether

1707
00:58:14,030 --> 00:58:11,099
it was flares or not it's kind of in

1708
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:14,040
their remit so that that information

1709
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:16,740
pipeline has to be fixed as far as I'm

1710
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,240
concerned and that's what this video is

1711
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:19,800
highlighting flares or not doesn't

1712
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:22,319
matter it was it confused a lot of

1713
00:58:26,450 --> 00:58:23,940
people and those people are doing answer

1714
00:58:28,609 --> 00:58:26,460
yeah that's fairly fair and for me again

1715
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:28,619
I'll just to state for anyone else who

1716
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:30,240
wanted to have a goal not that it

1717
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:31,440
bothers me

1718
00:58:35,690 --> 00:58:34,319
um yeah more than likely Slayers

1719
00:58:39,289 --> 00:58:35,700
um I would love to see more information

1720
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:39,299
on it I would still rather these drops

1721
00:58:42,109 --> 00:58:40,680
happened

1722
00:58:44,329 --> 00:58:42,119
um I would so rather we got to look at

1723
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:44,339
it put over it discuss debate not argue

1724
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:46,500
like dicks but just just look at these

1725
00:58:49,309 --> 00:58:47,760
things and discuss it and go yeah it's

1726
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:49,319
probably something no it's probably

1727
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:51,180
nothing and move on because it's

1728
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:52,920
interesting and I enjoy personally

1729
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,839
looking at it I also enjoy getting to

1730
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:57,359
discuss it on here however I think what

1731
00:59:03,049 --> 00:59:00,000
where the danger would be for

1732
00:59:05,569 --> 00:59:03,059
George knob Jenny mccarbell is that if

1733
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,579
there was a successive line of these

1734
00:59:10,730 --> 00:59:08,520
types of drops where like you say little

1735
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:10,740
things keep being missed off that

1736
00:59:15,410 --> 00:59:13,680
constantly make it look like ah it

1737
00:59:18,049 --> 00:59:15,420
really wasn't anything uh it was pretty

1738
00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:18,059
prosaic ah that starts to add up and

1739
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:21,119
we've talked about the real argument for

1740
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:23,880
the UFO Topic at the moment is a body of

1741
00:59:27,470 --> 00:59:25,740
evidence of lots of little things adding

1742
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,480
up to look at this folder we've got here

1743
00:59:31,549 --> 00:59:29,760
but you have to look through it all that

1744
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:31,559
other folder also starts to add up

1745
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:35,040
quickly of ah ah presaic ah was

1746
00:59:53,089 --> 00:59:35,880
a

1747
00:59:55,309 --> 00:59:53,099
something strong for the next for the

1748
00:59:57,289 --> 00:59:55,319
next big drop something where they've

1749
00:59:59,450 --> 00:59:57,299
really done their due diligence and even

1750
01:00:01,130 --> 00:59:59,460
if that includes going to a John

1751
01:00:03,349 --> 01:00:01,140
Greenwald in the background and saying

1752
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:03,359
look if we are going to drop this and

1753
01:00:06,950 --> 01:00:05,220
I'm sure John would keep that to himself

1754
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:06,960
you know we're asking your opinion now

1755
01:00:10,730 --> 01:00:08,760
what do you think is anything you think

1756
01:00:12,049 --> 01:00:10,740
is worth looking I don't think they will

1757
01:00:14,210 --> 01:00:12,059
because of the relationship being broken

1758
01:00:16,910 --> 01:00:14,220
there but I don't think something like

1759
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:16,920
that would hurt on all sides but I agree

1760
01:00:21,950 --> 01:00:19,380
maybe that absolutely thinking it would

1761
01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:21,960
it would come with a robust nice kind of

1762
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:25,559
rounded analysis then and

1763
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:27,359
I'm dubious as to whether that would

1764
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:28,619
happen but I think it would enrich the

1765
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,480
conversation you know these these things

1766
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:31,920
are mainly looked at by people in the

1767
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:34,200
community and they're the people who see

1768
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:36,780
these Flair kind of assertions and all

1769
01:00:39,950 --> 01:00:38,040
these really quick follow-ups and things

1770
01:00:41,569 --> 01:00:39,960
like that so just present all the data

1771
01:00:42,710 --> 01:00:41,579
just right up front just present it all

1772
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:42,720
and let people make up their own mind

1773
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:44,400
and do the work you know like I I joke

1774
01:00:47,930 --> 01:00:46,140
telling about Midwest and John Ramirez

1775
01:00:50,569 --> 01:00:47,940
being on tour teams to review a tape but

1776
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,579
the West Wes memo there you go there's a

1777
01:00:55,309 --> 01:00:53,040
memo for it goes to going on record

1778
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,319
together discussing you know events and

1779
01:00:59,510 --> 01:00:57,660
stuff grab a great podcast my quest John

1780
01:01:01,490 --> 01:00:59,520
Ramirez get that recorded yeah it would

1781
01:01:02,569 --> 01:01:01,500
be really good and me and I mean like

1782
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:02,579
those two are doing a podcast together

1783
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,380
yeah

1784
01:01:08,990 --> 01:01:07,079
um someone someone pointed out that you

1785
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:09,000
know I posted the go fast stuff from the

1786
01:01:11,809 --> 01:01:10,680
NASA Sunday and I said well there you go

1787
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:11,819
there's an expert opinion you know what

1788
01:01:16,549 --> 01:01:14,220
do we think and and someone kind of put

1789
01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:16,559
it out like this isn't de facto and

1790
01:01:19,010 --> 01:01:17,760
someone else came in and said you know

1791
01:01:20,450 --> 01:01:19,020
what it would be amazing to get these

1792
01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:20,460
people in a room together everyone that

1793
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,660
thinks it's an anomalous thing that

1794
01:01:24,530 --> 01:01:23,040
thinks it's a not anomalous thing you

1795
01:01:26,990 --> 01:01:24,540
just get them talking because this is

1796
01:01:28,609 --> 01:01:27,000
science and the scientists on each of

1797
01:01:30,289 --> 01:01:28,619
each other's throats like we are you

1798
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:30,299
know in the community

1799
01:01:33,170 --> 01:01:31,619
um that was the lovely thing about it

1800
01:01:34,370 --> 01:01:33,180
today they disagreed they challenged

1801
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:34,380
each other but no one insulted each

1802
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,579
other that's that no we're starting to

1803
01:01:38,450 --> 01:01:36,960
get that we're starting to get these

1804
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:38,460
people in a room and sitting together

1805
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,040
and that whole panel of people were

1806
01:01:46,609 --> 01:01:43,740
wearing all UFO fans you know otherwise

1807
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:46,619
Scott Kelly he's wrote that Simpson

1808
01:01:50,270 --> 01:01:48,000
balloon thing that was a low point for

1809
01:01:51,770 --> 01:01:50,280
me he kind of got the laughs that we're

1810
01:01:54,170 --> 01:01:51,780
used to with the stigma and things like

1811
01:01:56,329 --> 01:01:54,180
that but yeah I mean it's a balanced

1812
01:01:58,309 --> 01:01:56,339
opinion you know or balance group then

1813
01:02:01,309 --> 01:01:58,319
so fine he's there but and that doesn't

1814
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,319
like uapists as an act like he is yeah

1815
01:02:05,770 --> 01:02:03,359
it made me think of a analytical

1816
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,780
therapist from uh Arrested Development

1817
01:02:09,349 --> 01:02:07,920
and I wouldn't go into the rest of that

1818
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:09,359
joke but for anyone who's watched it

1819
01:02:12,109 --> 01:02:10,380
though I appreciate that one I'm sure

1820
01:02:13,910 --> 01:02:12,119
there was a moment where they put the

1821
01:02:16,910 --> 01:02:13,920
acronym on screen

1822
01:02:17,630 --> 01:02:16,920
um it was like a UAP investigation study

1823
01:02:19,849 --> 01:02:17,640
team

1824
01:02:21,710 --> 01:02:19,859
but they've refer to them as uapists

1825
01:02:23,329 --> 01:02:21,720
which yeah it's it's kind of an awkward

1826
01:02:24,890 --> 01:02:23,339
word to say and it's just it feels wrong

1827
01:02:27,530 --> 01:02:24,900
right and in Scotland it's kind of

1828
01:02:31,190 --> 01:02:27,540
texting someone like you are pissed like

1829
01:02:33,309 --> 01:02:31,200
so yeah and on that note Dan uh we've

1830
01:02:35,809 --> 01:02:33,319
had the other Mark uh so yeah

1831
01:02:37,190 --> 01:02:35,819
interesting day week yeah yeah really

1832
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,200
interesting week like big moves you know

1833
01:02:40,490 --> 01:02:38,880
this was this was a huge move for the

1834
01:02:42,289 --> 01:02:40,500
professionalization of the subject and

1835
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:42,299
the sub data and everything like that I

1836
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,500
think we're gonna see a lot come from

1837
01:02:47,329 --> 01:02:45,780
this would you like another chat GPT

1838
01:02:49,190 --> 01:02:47,339
joke we got a little bit of feedback

1839
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:49,200
that people love these terrible jokes as

1840
01:02:53,150 --> 01:02:51,119
as you mentioned the professionalization

1841
01:02:54,530 --> 01:02:53,160
of the subject so oh yeah the jokes

1842
01:02:56,809 --> 01:02:54,540
folks you can turn off now and pretend

1843
01:03:00,650 --> 01:02:56,819
it never happened like I will but yeah

1844
01:03:02,750 --> 01:03:00,660
go on why did the alien go to the doctor

1845
01:03:05,630 --> 01:03:02,760
I don't know Andy's rolling his eyes

1846
01:03:07,849 --> 01:03:05,640
already for people that can't see uh he

1847
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:07,859
was choking on an unidentified frying

1848
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:10,680
object that is all for this week's show

1849
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:12,839
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1850
01:03:17,450 --> 01:03:14,700
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1851
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:17,460
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01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:21,900
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1858
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1860
01:03:41,210 --> 01:03:39,240
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1861
01:03:43,820 --> 01:03:41,220
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1862
01:03:51,130 --> 01:03:43,830
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1863
01:04:18,289 --> 01:03:51,140
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1864
01:04:59,300 --> 01:04:19,510
to the game

1865
01:05:19,809 --> 01:05:09,420
[Music]

1866
01:05:19,819 --> 01:05:28,960
open your mind

1867
01:06:38,349 --> 01:05:38,390
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01:06:42,740 --> 01:06:38,359
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